Then, three days later, I would go to the labour ward - the ward I had been expecting to visit in two and a half months. Usually, sonographers will ask a senior sonographer colleague to confirm findings and this should be done immediately. This publication is licensed under the terms of the Open Government Licence v3.0 except where otherwise stated. I've still had no cramps or bleeding so fingers crossed everything is ok I just couldn't believe I fell down the stairs, I can't remember the last time I ever did that! For once in my life, I had been organised. A black and white picture of your baby will then be seen on the ultrasound screen. It was, 'Oh we'll come back to that'. You can change your cookie settings at any time. How was that scan different from the dating scan? I believed at this point I had miscarried, they wanted me to come back I'm for a follow up scan. So she said, 'Come back on Monday. I thought surely everything is ok, as they couldn't detect twins the week before. There were also two spots on his heart, which were "soft markers" for Down's syndrome. So I was a bit ignorant of the kind of things, you know, what the scans were really doing - maybe it was, a bit na've I think. With my oldest it turns out she has a minor thing that affects 1 in 1000 of the population and wont harm her at all it's just "there" and with my second the issue turned out to be nothing. I had no issues at my 20wk scan with DD - and neither did any of my antenatal group (9 mums). Forcing my hand to my mouth to take the tablet was probably the hardest thing I have ever done. Which she reassured us that she'd be absolutely fine, this was a one-off. Wishing to be anywhere, but here being told the same agonising truth over and over again. I managed to tell my mum, who said she would come with us to the hospital. Severe chromosomal conditions such as Edwards' syndrome are now often picked up in the first trimester antenatal screening but itwill usually be more obviousat the 18- 20 week scan, though usually a firm diagnosis will not be made until one or two specialists have weighed up all available evidence about the baby - which usually means that another expert needs to scan the baby again, or until the woman has had an amniocentesis. The same anticipation. 13/12/2020 20:45. I swallowed the tablet and we left the building. But they didn't. And still we asked to see a, Impact of the 20-week and later specialist scans. And I remember, the first thing I remember when something might be wrong, was I saw, I finally, we finally saw an image of the skull on the screen, and there appeared to be a sort of black hole shape in the middle. And that was Monday afternoon. I tried to keep positive. And that was a terrible moment to be sort of hanging on, waiting. I had to wait yet another sleepless night. I was saving my child from pain and suffering. Has anyone been told the sex incorrectly at their 20 week scan? 18-20 week scans provide clinicians with more information than earlier scans because by18 weeks a healthy baby should be larger and better developed. The only thing you're thinking now is the birth, and what if something goes wrong in the birth? Last reviewed July 2017. When I think about how long it took them to deliberate ultimately, maybe not, but it just felt like a bit of a fast food situation, didn't it? I was young, I didn't need one. Three midwives came and went. No, we really didn't, with hindsight we probably should have, but not at all, it never occurred to us to be worried about it. Then I picked myself up. Abortion has never raised any moral dilemmas for me and I am an atheist, so there are no religious issues. Could she possibly have something that's not been detected? We felt as if we were in limbo. We must have had one before that as well, we must have had one before that, but it came back quite normal. Some people want to find out if their baby has one of the 11 conditions and some do not. Parents get a chance to emotionally adapt to news and plan. We had amnio and then spent a week in absoute anguish waiting for the outcome which was no trisomies. It will take only 2 minutes to fill in. But I was struggling mentally with the anguish, grief and endless hospital visits. I went home feeling crushed; Sam and I both felt helpless. It was sick. And they actually asked my husband to come in before they spoke to me. As soon as we arrived, we were shown to this little room. Nice people shouldn't hear about what we'd done. You do not have to have the scan. We use some essential cookies to make this website work. 1. Originally I hadn't wanted to go down that road. As I lay down, and the sonographer started, I could see there was something wrong. So at least then we went to that next stage prepared for the worst really. At this point it wasn't looking great. I think it's the same - in fact I think it was probably the same room, same consultant - and [sighs] I suppose it felt upsetting because at the dating scan you're full of hope and this scan we knew wasn't going to be good, we knew it was maybe the last time we would see the baby moving around. I was sent home with a leaflet, strong painkillers and two types of antibiotics. Seated in the antenatal clinic with lots of expectant mothers with baby bumps. Maybe our son would have overcome his problems, survived his illnesses, led a happy life. And, sometimes, I wish I had invited my whole family into the hospital room to see him. I felt the dread run through me. I felt crushed, I wanted him to at least acknowledge what had been found already. The sonographer told me to take the notes, and the scan photos with me so they could review them also. At the time the same thing had, exactly the same thing had happened to my friend a month before, and her scan was absolutely fine. And then I can't remember an awful lot more about that scan apart from that feeling of searching of how to react in an unknown situation - your brain's kind of trying to work out what to say, what to do, but I had no idea what to say or what to do and I think my first thought was, does that mean our first daughter's okay? Sometimes doctors will wait to give the baby more time to develop and carry out repeat scans - this had confused several parents we talked to who had gone for repeat scans not knowing that the baby might have a problem. My wife had been very, very healthy, more healthy than the first pregnancy, and of course was shattered by the fact that the news, the news was appalling, very serious faces. I returned to be told they wanted to scan me again, another internal to see exactly what was happening. The chances that anything bad will be discovered are v v small. The doctor explained the options I had to manage my miscarriage. We've joined the grown-ups and we both feel very different. I guess the morphine made it easier. That's fine. So instead, I was advised to go home and let nature take its course. My mum arrived early to look after our son, and my partner and I got a cab to the hospital. The 18-20 week antenatal scan and further tests. She wanted to have a look at the skull, which was the main thing, but she couldn't see it from where the baby was. He then told us what the prognosis would mean for the child. But you could see there was something wrong? Some of the other conditions, such as heart defects, are more difficult to see. That he - I think I was 21 weeks and 3 days, and he was coming up at 19 weeks and 4 days, or something like that. And attribute some blame to them. We'd sort of put those discussions to the back of our mind, and then all of a sudden there are other abnormalities so yeah it was a bit a bit of a shocker [laughs]. We had the 20 week scan yesterday and got some devastating news. Severe chromosomal conditions such as Edwards' syndrome are now often picked up in the first trimester antenatal screening but itwill usually be more obviousat the 18- 20 week scan, though usually a firm diagnosis will not be made until one or two specialists have weighed up all available evidence about the baby - which usually means that another expert needs to scan the baby again, or until the woman has had an amniocentesis. Mumsnet carries some affiliate marketing links, so if you buy something through our posts, we may get a small share of the sale (more details here). It was a bit worrying but on the plus side I got an extra couple of scans and an extra couple of pictures. Most scans show that babies seem to be developing as expected, and none of the 11 conditions are found. We had to discuss what we wanted to do with the little body after delivery. Just that really! I was willing the results to be normal. I should stop being dramatic and pessimistic. 10/03/2021 16:13, @Cormoransjacket It is a noise that will stay with me for ever. I felt I needed proof of what was wrong before I take such a huge decision and that I couldn't do it based on what someone had written on, on the paper. We'd just spent some time away on a, on a summer holiday and come back expecting to have this scan and be told, 'All fine. It is also sometimes referred to as the mid-pregnancy scan . I couldn't bear to see the baby and asked the midwife to take him away immediately. Wishing to be anywhere, but here being told the same agonising truth over and . You will be able to discuss this with your midwife or consultant. We spent the next few weeks in a happy bubble. Thanks girls, it's amazing how protected our babies are in there isn't it?! I sat and waited to be called for my scan. Picture every packed football staduim up and down the country - all healthy pregnancies and births. The consultant showed us the letter with our result on and, yes, there were the words "Down's syndrome". So we decided to book an early 10 week private scan. I endured 12 hours of medication and in the early hours February 7, 56 days after my first scan (at nearly 18 weeks), I miscarried our babies. And I know I can't hurry up the process of grieving. It is extremely rare for these pregnancies to reach term as they typically spontaneously miscarry early in pregnancy. She describes having to make a momentous decision very quickly, and the ferment of relief, guilt and grief that followed, Original reporting and incisive analysis, direct from the Guardian every morning. Mumsnet carries some affiliate marketing links, so if you buy something through our posts, we may get a small share of the sale (more details here). I think what everyone is saying is that most likely outcome is that there are no problems at all. In some very serious rare cases, where no treatment is possible, the baby will die soon after it is born or during pregnancy. Mm-hm. Never being able to look after himself. We strongly advise readers not to take drugs that are not prescribed by your qualified healthcare provider. I was booked back in to discuss management options, if nothing had happened. BabyCenter. We had the baby cremated. The consultant had said it wouldn't be like a normal delivery. But for those few days they were torture. Yeah - in, stomach, out. Dont worry we wont send you spam or share your email address with anyone. And everybody knows and everything is right. 15/02/2014 08:02. The pain was bearable but uncomfortable, the hospital rang me a few days later and asked me how I was. So we went back the day after Boxing Day, the 27th, and the consultant greeted us, which made my alarm bells go, and she started scanning us and I think her lines were, 'What concerns me about this baby is that they've got a diaphragmatic hernia, which has meant that part of the stomach of the baby was in its chest cavity.'. Entering the labour ward, I waited for someone to say, "Go home, you are 16 weeks too early." I didn't have a clue. And as, and as soon as I saw the pictures of the scan, having had two normal pregnancies, even I could see that there was a marked contrast between this pregnancy and the pictures that I'd had previously. I had my little leaflet, printed off leaflet about choroid plexus cysts. And shortly after that, that scan we'd finished and the consultant leant back and said, 'I'm afraid we have some problems here'. The consultant explained that this was just very bad luck and not, as far as they knew, genetic. And at that, I let out a scream I think. . I still feel guilty, I still cry at random times. By the time I left the hospital, I was in shock. As I left the room to compose myself. 'I was having nightmares and panic attacks. Tommys is a registered charity in England and Wales (1060508) and Scotland (SC039280). Thick milky discharge at 14 weeks.tmi pic attached. And it was just a bit of a shock because it's not really what you want to hear - you don't really expect that. Specialist scans are performed in specialist fetal units and if clinicians feel that there might be problems scanning will be done up to 32 weeks. It wasn't measuring at all the right measurements for the age - there was a heart defect, the limbs were sort of distorted, the arms were, you know - you could see that the arms were very sort of contracted, the hands were contracted. hi ladies. My partner tried to remain calm, and at my request rang my mum. I have a terrible hatred of pregnant women and a new respect for infertile couples. Perhaps because we are alone in this, it has brought my partner and me very close. But other than that everything was fine. I noticed the box of tissues on the table. I had to stop myself from yanking out the needle. The screen may be directly facing them or at an angle. Spina bifida can usually be seen clearly on a scan and of those babies who have this condition, around 9 out of 10 (90%) will be detected. So it was just, we were coming up to the 20-week scan and I was just getting more relaxed, just actually starting to look at maybe baby catalogues or, you know, going down the baby aisle at the shops, which I'd always avoided. But before he could speak, he, too, had broken down. I was disgusted - disgusted that such a tablet existed, let alone that I should have to take it. Unfortunately I was not met with a compassionate sonographer. We've got the same battle scars. She describes having to make a . Immediately I knew what decision we should take. I used to think the feeling of your baby kicking inside you and the sight of a foot poking against your skin were the most fantastic things in the world. Your mind has closed to the possibility that there could be anything wrong. Several parents said they would have preferred being told something, even it was vague. Baby loss support Within two days I was waiting in my local EPU unit for further tests. I think I don't everything just seems a real blur because it was, it was such a strange experience. Sam followed and I broke down. He looked fine. Check benefits and financial support you can get, Find out about the Energy Bills Support Scheme, NHS fetal anomaly screening programme (FASP), Screening tests for you and your baby (STFYAYB), nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3, more information and details of support groups. Eventually, the midwife said to us very sweetly, "I think we should deliver the baby now." Where we have identified any third party copyright information you will need to obtain permission from the copyright holders concerned. Our week-by-week PREGNANCY emails are a must for parents-to-be. It went from bad, to worse, to worse, to dire, then to better. Some people had underestimated how serious any abnormality found at this stage could be for the baby. For women who have been given distressing news about their baby during the scan, there should be a health professional available to provide immediate support. It was horrible. All my instincts were to protect my belly, yet here I was allowing someone to stick a huge needle into it. Sometimes doctors will wait to give the baby more time to develop and carry out repeat scans - this had confused several parents we talked to who had gone for repeat scans not knowing that the baby might have a problem. And I can just remember flashing a look at you as if to say, 'Have I made a mistake here somewhere? When I told him what had happened, he refused to believe anything was wrong and said he'd sort it out when he came home. At first the closeness came through a sense of guilt. So it was quite common, this is what happens. When he came back, he agreed on a termination. The baby was very, very small. In the case of a suspected abnormality, women should be seen for a second opinion by an expert in fetal ultrasound, such as a fetal medicine specialist. The scan yet again confirmed things were not good, however the sac had grown. However, at the time neither of us could articulate that. Good luck has not come easily over the past few years. I then found that soft markers means 'vague unproven suggestion of a link', and that echogenic locii are small concentrations of calcium which are incredibly common and harmless. What would we like to do with the body? But that was too easy. It was probably all right but hadn't had any fluid in it at the moment. The results come in stages. I feel empty and incomplete. Some parents wondered if it was possible to have the same scan done at 16 weeks rather than 20 weeks. It was far too much power; neither of us wanted it. It's a bit at the back of the brain and - no I can't remember what it is - it's called, it's something that's called Dandy-Walker mal, The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) have produced a report on Termination of Pregnancy for Fetal Abnormality in England, Scotland and Wales (May 2010). Sometimes specialist scans such as 3D scans, or MRI scans, are used to examine the baby in greater detail. So it was, there was very, very little movement from the baby because I remembered first time round by that stage, you know, that the baby was quite big and it moved around a lot at a later scan. The thing about that which I felt was difficult is that we could tell when being scanned that there was something very seriously wrong. The scan can provide information that may mean you have to make further, important decisions. The rarest scenario is that the baby is severely ill and choices will need to be made. These were said to be soft markers fo a range of trisomies, 2 of which were incompatible with life. 26/09/2019 22:46. And, so they sent me home at that stage because they said the specialist wasn't available till the following day, which was awful. Somehow, I walked from the sofa up to the bathroom and told my partner. My partner's face was lit up, seeing the baby for the first time. Some say this estimate is really below the reality, and the out-of-pocket average costs are higher. It sounds crazy, but I just knew. Some of the conditions that can be seen on the scan will mean the baby may need treatment or surgery after it is born, for example cleft lip. I felt empty, scared, guilty and incredibly heartbroken. The nursery I had selected for our two-year-old son; my maternity leave; the bunk beds; the summer holiday suitable for a newborn baby. The anomaly scan, also called the 20 week scan or mid-pregnancy scan, is used to detect pregnancy irregularities significant in diagnosis of any of the following conditions: In most instances no serious issue will be found during the scan and many parents-to be will come away knowing that all is progressing nicely and, perhaps, having found out . We scattered his ashes over a bunch of snowdrops. How common is it for 2nd baby to come early..? Not a good sign in a hospital consulting room. Tissue paper will be tucked around your clothing to protect it from the ultrasound gel, which will then be put on your tummy. Living in this world must be unbearable for them. No one else attended and we didn't have a service. The weeks since that day have been very weird. The doctor wanted to do another blood test to confirm a significant drop in my hormone levels. It felt as if we had gone power crazy. I was experiencing some light bleeding for the past few days. It is impossible to escape them and each one underlines your loss. We didn't feel we could tell anyone what was happening. If you think you may have a medical emergency, call your doctor, midwife or hospital immediately. But everything seemed fine and we'd been sitting waiting to see the consultant, and I'd had an examination on the bed. The doctor told me he was 98% sure this was a failing twin pregnancy. What were babys measurements at 20 week scan? I let out an animal scream and [wife] kind of leapt onto me on the bed. Instinctively, did it feel right? And it all seemed so near at hand, you know, 31, 30 weeks, you feel like you're nearly, you're on the home stretch. And I felt like a murderer. 17/12/2020 17:13. Read full disclaimer. There was a very marked lack of amniotic fluid which made it difficult, not even for the scanners to see, that made the picture of the scan look very, very different. Please ask your hospital about this before your appointment. I had a horrible feeling of relief. He wanted to talk about it, but I didn't. And at that point I don't think we, I don't think we realised that there might have to be a decision, because we'd talked about it with, with Down's and the other possible problems, but at this point it was, well okay what can be done to fix the problem - because yes the heart's not developing properly but there must be something we can do. Mumsnet carries some affiliate marketing links, so if you buy something through our posts, we may get a small share of the sale (more details here), tbh, they never give you good news at scans. This image shows a baby's face and hands at 20 weeks, and gives you an idea of what you'll be able to see at this scan. No one else but my partner saw how similar he was to our son. Enough for two weeks after he had been cremated. Can you describe the difference between the scan at this later stage in a pregnancy? You've had, you've had your Down's Syndrome check and that's okay. Not marginalised into being a victim. And they took me to another room and they explained that the baby had what they thought was ventriculomegaly or something. Instead, we were shown to a room slightly away from the rest of the ward and the midwife stayed with us to talk through what was going to happen. I went away and came back, and she couldn't get a good picture. I felt sad, but not the complete devastation of the last scan as they had seen a change of some sort. The week that followed was an agonising wait. Smiling at myself and picturing me and Sam becoming parents. And that was extraordinary to see the detail that that could offer. Again, we weren't understood. It felt like a lifetime to reach our 12-week-scan. My wife turned the screen away from her. To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account. Rather sharply, my partner tried to explain. Intellectually, I knew this was not the case. The same sense of expectation. Sam reassured me, but the guilt had hit me along with the feeling that our world was falling apart. Everywhere you look, there are happy, fat, smug pregnant women. Some people we talked to had not had a 18-20-week scan, either because their babies' abnormalities had been detected by earlier diagnostic tests (e.g. Did you, how did that scan make you feel? And then all of a sudden, I was still laughing and we were all very upbeat, and then suddenly, he suddenly said, but I was still, still laughing, and he said to me, 'Oh, there might be a problem, there might be a problem with the, I think this baby has hydrocephalus'. But he was not sure. I'm trying to understand because I haven't seen a 3-D scan, what it tells the parents? We needed closure, to allow us to grieve properly.
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