You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. 4) strict obedience to the pastor 8. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. amzn_assoc_placement = "adunit0"; amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "lifewaymarket-20"; amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; amzn_assoc_ad_type = "smart"; amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; amzn_assoc_region = "US"; amzn_assoc_linkid = "7e0c08952d33ff8dd3379356ab6731f1"; amzn_assoc_asins = "1479180297,B00A4SKJXG,1250026261,0830816607,0809134888,0884197689,B00X531UN0,0877888256,0764205374"; amzn_assoc_title = "BaptistDeception.com Book Club Picks"; Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) PASTOR JOE MINNERUP. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. I really have an issue with this point. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. The heading of the website is true. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? If you dont already, try it some time. Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. KJB. Thus the words Independent and Fundamental have been added by many Baptist churches to further identify themselves as truly Bible believing churches and to show a distinction between themselves and Baptist churches who were not following Gods word. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. Ive experienced this kind of power over and over again in the church. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. Here is the Scripture Im refering to: In Luke 11:42 he says, But woe to you Pharisees! These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. Thank you for your help! Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. @greg I dont understand the context of your comment. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. 2.) Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. The New Testament teaches that Christ is the head of the church,(Eph. He continued to read the New Testament, and became fully aware that infant baptism, sprinkling for baptism, and allowing unsaved people to be members of the church was not Scriptural. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. Jesus upheld tithing because the Mosaic law was still in force for the Jews until the death of Christ. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. Total. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. In recent years the news media has called doctrinally unsound church such as the Charismatics and Pentecostals fundamentalists. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? The Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines AFBCP is an organization guiding cooperative ministries of Independent Baptist Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. She is not shunned. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. How can you not see that? I humbly asked a question. Separation is not the problem. It seems as if the preacher thinks it is within his ability to persuade people to accept Christ or to get people to witness or whatever. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. Gossips offer plausible deniability. KJV Church Directory. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. An interesting read. It was founded by Roger Williams, according to the teachings and example of the New Testament. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. Baptism is an outward sign of an inward decision and has nothing to do with your salvation. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. I am an IFB. A preacher told me once we were not to judge, but that we were to be fruit inspectors. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. 4 Reasons Christians Are Wrong About Homosexuality, 63. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. Tithing is not for God. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. Theres no recourse. Greg, The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do).
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