I carry 38 /357 every day have used them in real world shootings. No. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 Then duplicate with reloads for practice. I am aware of the plated bullet limitations on BE accuracy and am more interested in them for their "plinkability". AA#2 is about the same burn rate, but burns much cleaner with less smoke in my guns. Did you cross post the bullet weight? Discussion: Bullseye is a faster burning powder and some people feel better suited for the .38 special. Its the kind of load that will make you fall in love with the 1911 all over again! Like Wobbly. These are put into a large hydraulic press and extruded into a continuous coil of wire. The load you use will be up to your gun. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 Try. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. Your email address will not be published. Hence the lack of load data from just about anybody. Send the cylinder out to get cut for moon clips and adapted to 9mm, so you can shoot both 38/357/9mm and use all on moon clips. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. Normal 38 spell loads for as long as I can remember were never loaded less than 800FPS and I have loaded for revolvers and autos such as my S&W mod 52 that only shoots flush wadcutters. And, oh yeah. Using higher pressure loads will wear brass out faster and it will become brittle with time. I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. In fact, in the past I specifically sought out revolvers chambered in 38 SPL only, knowing I would never be putting a 357 Mag in it (I carried a 4 GP100 chambered in 38 SPL as a duty sidearm in the early 90s). defensive ammo. Easy to reload and it started my reloading experience. I buy 158 SWCHP all the time.my main bullet. You gotta try the S&W M342 Airlight TI. Ive been shooting them for 50 years. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. Any hotter and we get into a recoil issue. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. looks like today. I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. From my Hornady Third Edition manual 38 Special 158 Grain Lead Round Nose #3586 Win 231 3.0 Grains 650 FPS 4.4 Grains 850 FPS Now I will tell you from experience you do NOT want to load Lead Bullets Fast. .38 Special Montana Gold 125 FMJ Power Pistol 6.1 COL 1.417 Tested with a S&W-686-3, 6", ambient temperature about 32 degrees, no wind, target posted at 25 feet (hey, I'm testing handloads for use, not my long range bear killing skills, defensive only). This is an easy-shooting load that can cause some power-philes to tusk-tusk and comment. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. Also, too light loads don't allow the bullet to seal the gases causing problems. Maybe once a year I would reset everything to load up a few hundred .38 Spl for the wifes Detective Special, then right back to .357. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company Boolit Grand Master. Easiest way is casting lines and a sprue mark on nose or base. Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. CorBon Self Defense, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Jacketed Hollow Point, +P, 20 Round Box 38125 Re: 38 special loads by GrumpyOldMan 11/10/2013, 4:23 pm IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. I started reloading 38 special as my first cartridge 8 years ago when I was 22, soooo.I have an old mans soul? Dont know where #1 Buckshot can be found, but the Speer shot cups and UNIQUE powder currently easy enough to find. I did find a 145 grain Lead HP with a rounded ogive (like the last NyClad) on Gunbroker that opens really well if you get above 800 fps. That blunt-ended bullet cut a clean hole all the way through whatever its modest velocity allowed it to penetrate. I use CCI Snake shot for two and Buffalo Bore short Barrel 130 gr. Dont get me wrong: I think the Smith and Wesson Model 642 Airweight revolver is an outstanding self-defense (concealed carry) revolver and you wont feel/care about how snappy/unpleasant the recoil may be in a real self-defense event. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. In a nutshell & I mean very short version. This represents a great start, and if thats all you do, youll still be far better off than the majority of the population. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. I don't completely understand the physics behind it. Many of these men had no real experience with the handgun, and we had but a few weeks to get them up to very high standards that most shooters will never reach. 4.0 gr. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. Bullet seating depth is very forgiving. Bought my small handed wife a 642. I have tested lots and lots of different bullet and found them all to be great. Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Pick up any current gun magazine and youll be inundated with images of sexy black rifles. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting : The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and . 38 Special 125 gr XTP American Gunner Item #90324 | 25/Box The American Gunner line of ammunition is a collection of tried-and-true, versatile loads that are popular with shooters for their target shooting, hunting or self-defense needs. They all shot horrible at 25 yards. My personal loads for practice replicate my carry. i had the same issues you did when i was trying to load for my DR revolver 14-3. to light of power had a soft recoil but ungodly bad accuracy. My other son fired one shot and handed it back. Posted: 4/17/2014 10:53:09 AM EST. Lord only knows how many cartridge cases I hammered with a plastic mallet into that Lee, it had to be thousands. Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. (Or so I have heard.). The Speers do occasionally and the Magnus a little more. The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. Power Pistols works well in short auto cartridges and higher pressure cartridges but no so well with a 158 grain bullets in 38 Special. Thanks for your help. There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. These grips seem quite comfortable and afford a pinkie finger rest for improved control albeit with a certain loss of concealability. 1.455 in. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. Years back, for indoor matches I teamed the heavier S&W Model 28 with 3.4 grains of the same powder and bullet in . hard cast LSWC's as a target load. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. I had enough, The Model 1911 pistol will officially turn 100 years old on May 5, 2011. It is also one of the most pleasurable loads a shooter can touch off. Depends on what kind of load you're after. During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. A little shopping around might do better, as would casting the lead bullets. They are low because of swaged bullets. Ive been looking for a reason to get into reloading, and am particularly intrigued by the extremely long case life of .38 Special. I have 125 grain jacketed bullets, Bullseye powder and CCI 500 primers. I simply took mixed brass and ran em through the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP press with the bare minimum preparation. Its worth mentioning that loaders do all kinds of obsessive rituals to squeeze the groups down. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. I reached an interesting number the other day. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. I just got some clays which I heard was very clean burning compare to bullseye. I guess its out of production now- I havent seen it (or heard of it) in years. Ive not had a handgun entirely reject either load, so the recipe seems to be a worthy third alongside the previous .38 and .45. The 919 case is tapered and therefore wider at the base than the .38 special is. Most starting .357 reloading powder levels will fall in this .38 +P+ type reload, and the powder being used can be selected (faster or slower) based on barrel length. Totally agree. No offense sir but those charges look low for Unique. Anything goes with bullets. Current J frame factory grips have similar features and are made of a stiffer compound. Compac for my little finger to wrap around under the butt. * All PLUS P loads for guns designed for it (20,000 PSI), (Cowboy loads shot in 7 1/2 bbl.revolver no need to reduce), ALL THESE LOADS ARE PLUS P, SPECIAL HOT 21,000 PSI. Classics go well together: circa 1909 S&W .38 Special and traditional 148-grain wadcutter load of 2.7 grains of Bullseye. And yes I appreciate them for a hunting gun because of their fine accuracy and find trigger pulls (older classic guns). But you guys need to practice more. The .38 Special is the most popular of all centerfire revolver cartridges. All the data says this should be an OK load , even "mid-range" for non +p. How Do I Choose Good Self-Defense Ammo For My Handgun? The load is a great learning tool in .45 for beginner and experienced alike. This is good, because the snub takes a lot of practice to have a consistent capability. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. That one Ill keep. The reason I love the .38 SPL so much is because its so elastic in function. When I finally took the plunge and started handloading (FIRST SHOTS WITH HANDLOADING: How Hard Can It Be? 2.7 gr. I load my 38 target ammo to 3.5 grainsand my self defense 38 to 3.8 grains, when using 158 grain bullets (and Bullseye). I dont mind it at all, though others do and look to similar performing powders that address these things. The mention of a Lee Loader somewhere above took me back to the good-old days. Most people have one general power level for their semi-autos due to the fact that the guns wont function with ammo thats not energetic enough to cycle the slide. 2.9 of Clays is soft enough and dead accurate at 50yds. Wow I learned something vital from this topic. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. of Bullseye, 148 gr lead DEWC and Federal 100 primers. Posted March 2, 2013. It would seem that a 125 grain GDHP is of the same weight and would have a similar profile to what you want to use. Fifty yards of course is the preferred distance. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. Bonus is that dont need magnum Primers for these reloads. I realized that I had hit a very special count for a very special cartridge: 20,000 rounds of .38 Special. I find the Pachmayr Compac grips on my 640 reduce the slap of full-boat .357 to less than that on my 3 M65 (w/ wood Altamont grips) or my 4 686 (Pachmayr Gripper Professional grips.) Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). THAT TIME IS BETTER SPENT LEARNING HOW TO SHOOT THE REVOLVER IN THE RAPID FIRE PORTION. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. Anyway, you are probably right that the revolver guys trend towards the older end of the spectrum, but I think some of the younger guys are starting to catch on to the magic of wheel guns. in 158 weight berry's bullet 3.8 grains of bullseye with a taper crimp. If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Seems like everyone is all orgasmic about bigger, faster, more of, etc. Any discussion of Bullseye is incomplete without mentioning a few of the downsides. I can not be held responsible for. Main issue is that the .44 spl. The cold header swages a bullet in one or two strokes. The quality of the loads equals a bargain. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. Like both the .38 and the .44 spl. Thanks for the start load Power Pistol will run lower pressures for the same velocity than W-W 231. I'm still hunting for a DR load for my S&W M19-5. Winchesters 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. Lucky me. Below, are three loaded rounds. Berry says load plated bullets to mid-range jacketed bullets of same profile and weight or equal to hard cast. In terms of the best stopping power for .38 Special, I personally like 150 grain full wadcutters or 158 grain hollowpoint semi-wadcutters. The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. with #2 Lyman duplicate. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. And if youre doing that [shooting 158 grain bullets at 1200 fps muzzle velocity] with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. Not as easy to find brass these days as it is not the most popular round anymore. Reloading .44 Spl. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. There are many fun uses for buckshot. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. I recently bought trail boss and it runs fine out of my 14-3. IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. Ive been reloading and shooting for over 40 years and love revolvers but 90% of the time my carry gun is a Sig 365 with a 12 round mag and a spare. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. While I wish I could carry a 5 .45 WITNESS with several 10 round mags, as a senior citizen, the S&W J frame is my user friendly alternate. Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 9 customer ratings. Enough that the range Officer at my range recognized them because the muzzle blast made a distinctive cat whisker pattern at 8 and 10, and 2 and 4 o clock. The mild recoil of the mid-range load is a perfect mate to the .38s that most shooters own these daysthe airweight J-Frame or equivalent. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. I once had to quote the South Carolina Supreme Court when they had spelled it loathe., Regards, I've been reading about this. Ive saved all my .38 brass over the last couple of years for whenever I find time to get into reloading. Content . What overal length of the cartridge? Hi. I will always love the 38 SPL (never cared much for 357 Mag), but that 3 seven shot Charter with both 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Mag is truly the bees knees. Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? In one or two strokes, the bullet is formed ready for dip lubing. I just bought some 158 gr SWC bullets that are pure lead. Required fields are marked *. This produces about 550-650fps from a 1 7/8 barrel and feels like shooting a very powerful .22LR. 9mm 125 grain RN Lead Hard Cast Bullet. Really important to have a chrono if you're going to work up loads When I first bought my chrono, I was amazed at how HOT my loads were - unnecessarily. Agree 100% since I reload and shoot it since years, lost count. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Enter to win an FN FAL Rifle. Powder coating. 4.) Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. The 4.0 grain load is relatively mild recoil and was accurate. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. By These bullets shot to point of aim in modern S&W snubbies, but the older M10-5 was regulated with 158 grain bullets and 125's shoot low. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges youd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense.
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